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#8 - anon id:57d585f5
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What the ---- happened
#51 to #8 - severepwner
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>Sees image of civilian Japanese enjoying their modern art too much.
>Posts image of military samurai warrior to show how prideful the old days were
What happened to muh Japan.
#42 to #8 - anon id:281ec55f
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animu and mango
#22 to #8 - anon id:25d712ce
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#13 to #11 - vladi
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Yes let's kill 100 000's of innocent people and ---- up some more for years to come, all because Japanese military attacked a legitimate American military target.... they never even bombed American mainland or cities either for that matter
#86 to #13 - anon id:ba0e7d61
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Right, the casualties from normal bombing raids, which utterly dwarf the casualties from the atomic bombings, were much better, and we should have continued to just hose them down with napalm.
#64 to #13 - iqequalzero
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Given that ive seen the kinds of replies you make, you are probably trolling...but...
The bombs ended the way, saving far more people than it killed by preventing the japanese from doing their whole "die to the last man with honor, for the emprah!" thing.
#47 to #13 - aproudpatriot
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Pearl harbor: surprise attack during peacetime
Hiroshima and Nagasaki: an attack during wartime, to end the war, to prevent a military invasion of the Japanese mainland that would have probably ended up with even more dead, with months of advance warning. No, seriously, you have no idea how many leaflets the US military dropped to warn the citizens.
Yes, the bombings were tragic and terrible, but don't act for even a second that it was "big bad America" picking on "little defenseless Japan"
#110 to #47 - emiyashirou
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That "they warned the citizens" argument people always use is such a load of ----. The leaflets gave a list of over 10 cities which would potentially be bombed, and bombings were already common long before those leaflets were dropped. Without the foreknowledge of the power of nuclear weaponry, the leaflets would appear to be a propaganda weapon rather than an actual warning.
#119 to #110 - aproudpatriot
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Yes, it would have seemed like propaganda. It was distributed by American forces, of course it would look like propaganda. But that doesn't change the fact that we tried to warn them. It wasn't like we had any effect over how the people would receive the warning, all we could do was warn them.
#27 to #13 - mrfisto
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eh, they attacked us because they thought we were getting into the war with full force soon when we had no plans, they might of actually won if they didn't try to be sneaky ----s and attack us out of nowhere also the first bomb was basically a warning, if they kept attacking we would send another, they didn't stop so we sent another but this one only killed less because they didn't aim for the center target, just made sure it got hit
#23 to #13 - frenzyhero
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hahahaha
1st of all they were industrial cities. they were just as viable of a military target as Pearl Harbor. 2nd, a land invasion would have caused more casualties on both sides, and on the European front, as it would prolong the war.
People condemning Hiroshima and Nagasaki are complete idiots. It's been one of the best uses of technology in the past millennia. It saved the lives of millions.
And as a point, it also did a hell of a lot of good saving your ----ty corrupted country, so it could limp on and continue making an ass of itself. It allowed the US to divert (even more) of our resources, either to the west, which demanded either attention from the krauts, or actively aided Russia.
#30 to #23 - anon id:9ca065ac
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Except it didn't save millions of lives, he Emperor was ready to surrender due to having to deal with the US on one side and the Soviets being very obviously ready to launch an attack on Japan
The bombs were pointless.
#77 to #30 - anon id:37a33317
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we warned their govt after the first nuke that if they didnt surrender in three days we'd nuke them again
notice how we nuked them again
bringing us to the conclusion that were abso----inglutely NOT "ready to surrender"
#101 to #33 - mrsexmuffins
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Have you ever heard about how the japenese would commit suicide rather than surrender? Yeah, it was a huge cultural thing, and the emperor was never going to surrender, even if American troops beached and attacked the mainland
#105 to #101 - ---htmarexnxnxnxnx
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Them prolonging the war was nothing but an attempt to save face and come to a reasonable terms for surrender.
By the time USA was about to drop the nukes it was obvious that Japanese were defeated both militarily and economically.
Don't even trying to tell me that invading japan, (provided they would still put up resistance) capturing strategic points and making Japan surrender through military might would account to as much losses and using two weapons of mass destruction against industrial cities whose population counted up to hundreds of thousands.
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Here, if you are too lazy to open a ----ing book, at least educate yourself through your browser instead of spewing around propaganda tainted bull----.
#115 to #105 - mrsexmuffins
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Dude, the Japanese were renowned for Never surrendering in a fight, aka 99% of them are going to either be killed by American troops or by their own hands, which meant there was a very high fatality rate within the Japanese army. That combined with the fact that the government brainwashed the Japanese people into believing that the Americans would rape and torture anyone captured, which led too entire villages committing suicide rather than be captured, meant that any sort of invasion would be disastrous. I mean, did you even see what happened in Okinawa? That wasn't even mainland, and 200,000 died in several weeks, inculding 1/4 of the entire civilian population. Now take that and multiply it by 10. So don't sit there with your tinfoil hat and say that the losses of a full scale invasion wouldn't have been "that bad"
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#117 to #115 - ---htmarexnxnxnxnx
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I have posted two links with historical facts that make it absolutely clear they would surrender anyways in short period of time along with ton of information on condition their military and economy was, yet you think you are proving that the usage of nuclear weapons was anything but live weapon test with your propaganda infused drivel?
Nobody needs a ----ing tinfoil hat to realize just how pointless it is to nuke a country that is in the middle of a war yet it is completely unable to fight back any further.
They still fought on because US pushed the unconditional surrender on them. I don't know about you, but I would rather try to fight on rather than to accept future that might mean total ruination of my civilization and give up.
#34 to #33 - frenzyhero
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I have, obviously that anon, or you, haven't. Russia didn't have the resources for such a move, and there's no record of Japan showing any real intention of surrender, even when they were told of what was going to happen.
#35 to #34 - ---htmarexnxnxnxnx
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Not even close. USA needed to demonstrate the destructive force of nuclear weapons and since they were at war with Japan, it proved to be a perfect target.
Even Eisenhower ----ing said that they were ready to surrender and there was no need to use nukes.
#88 to #35 - innocentbabies
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Which is totally why they didn't hurry up and surrender after the first nuke, right? Y'know, 'cause they were already in the process.
"The intercepts of Japanese Imperial Army and Navy messages disclosed without exception that Japan's armed forces were determined to fight a final Armageddon battle in the homeland against an Allied invasion. The Japanese called this strategy Ketsu Go (Operation Decisive). It was founded on the premise that American morale was brittle and could be shattered by heavy losses in the initial invasion. American politicians would then gladly negotiate an end to the war far more generous than unconditional surrender."
Frank, Richard B. (2005-08-08). "Why Truman Dropped the Bomb". The Weekly Standard 010 (44). Retrieved 2008-03-16.
"While some members of the civilian leadership did use covert diplomatic channels to attempt peace negotiation, they could not negotiate surrender or even a cease-fire. Japan could legally enter into a peace agreement only with the unanimous support of the Japanese cabinet, and in the summer of 1945, the Japanese Supreme War Council, consisting of representatives of the Army, the Navy and the civilian government, could not reach a consensus on how to proceed."
The Pacific War Research Society (2005). Japan's Longest Day. Oxford University Press. p. 352.
"Although it is apparent that there will be more casualties on both sides in case the war is prolonged, we will stand as united against the enemy if the enemy forcibly demands our unconditional surrender."
Prime Minister Togo
The people wanted the war to end, the military didn't. Japan was a military dictatorship in all but name. There were a few options available
1) continue firebombing until they were ready to surrender, likely around January casualties would have dwarfed the atomic bombings
2) invade Japan the fact that all purple hearts issued today were minted for Operation Downfall should show why that's a bad idea
3) drop the bombs and hope that convinced them to surrender
4) maintain a blockade until a long, bloody civil war removes the military from power never really discussed as far as I know, but certainly a possibility, though it would have taken the longest and probably resulted in the most casualties, on top of destroying Japanese society
#106 to #88 - ---htmarexnxnxnxnx
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You know maybe all that ---- would not be happening if Truman didn't pursue unconditional surrender...
#113 to #106 - anon id:348966e1
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how the ---- can you be so ----ing retarded when all these facts are shown to you? without the bombs millions more would have been lost and that's what ----ing matters you mongoloid
#114 to #113 - ---htmarexnxnxnxnx
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Your ----ing bull---- propaganda has blinded you to the point you are unable to perceive reality you ----ing sheeple. It was a ----ing life weapon test to display the power of nuclear weapons and to assert USA as military superpower.
By the time after the assault at pearl harbor, Japan was already so economically exhausted to the point any real military resistance was not possible. Nevertheless they did not want to accept the unconditional surrender for the fear of what would happen to their nation if they did.
Besides what ----ing millions do you dip----? Through the whole war 400 thousands US troops have died or went MIA. A broken military with troop count reduced to several tens of thousands of Japanese troops is millions in your book? Besides they had absolutely no fuel, since their oil supplies were cut off by US (US are not faulty of this, they simply needed those resources to fuel the war effort in Europe).
How the hell do you even put up any valid resistance in modern combat without the support of armor, airplanes and about anything that uses oil?
#84 to #35 - sherlockbatman
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>Japan under the emperor
>surrendering
there's a reason it took our Final Attack to convince them to give up
their favorite battle plan was "kill ourselves and take them with us" like the sandiest of extremists
they were not going to surrender unless we showed them that they had 1000% already lost
#75 to #35 - anon id:37a33317
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they didnt surrender until after the second nuke you twat
#120 to #75 - emiyashirou
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They tried multiple times to open negotiations for surrender, but the US pressed for an unconditional surrender, which the Japs wouldn't accept either until the US killed a hell lot of civilians.
#24 to #23 - vladi
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Right, I forgot I forgot Pearl Harbor was full of normal townsfolk.
#82 to #24 - anon id:37a33317
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so, because they were armed, it was ok to kill them without warning in peacetime?
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#109 to #50 - ---htmarexnxnxnxnx
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Yeah because USA did not have any war crimes to their name right?
OH I forgot, they are masquerading those as necessary evil.
#17 to #14 - vladi
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Right, I forgot Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military bases.
#83 to #17 - anon id:37a33317
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so when japan randomly kills innocent people in peacetime, it's ok, but when the US gives a telegraphed attack on disguised military bases in retaliation for the useless murder of it's people, it's horrible?
---- right out of here
#108 to #83 - ---htmarexnxnxnxnx
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Look there is a difference between destroying a part of navy with surprise attack (I have no problems with japan being persecuted for this, it was a barbaric tactic that many fell victim to. But the attack on pearl harbor does not even amount to a fraction of destruction that happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Hundreds of thousands were killed (civilians no less) and the land was polluted for immense amount of time, claiming further victims through cancerous tumors and overall genetic damage caused by radiation.
#111 to #108 - anon id:37a33317
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ah, yes, and both of our bombs were surprise attacks
oh
oh no
wait hold on a sec
we gave the civilians about three days warning to evacuate
just continue to ---- off
#112 to #111 - ---htmarexnxnxnxnx
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Riight you people are so ----ing humane you gave Japanese three days to evacuate before polluting their cities and half of their country for several decades with immense level of radiation, just because your retarded president demanded unconditional surrender, which can mean anything up to certain death for your whole nation.
#72 to #17 - atomschlumpf
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Hiroshima: HQ of the second army under Hata Shunroku, rally point for troops and a store for strategic ressources. Also a major point of industry
Nagasaki: Important position for the Mitsubishi armaments concern which had a huge dock there, building and maintaining cruisers, torpedo boats and other warships
Also you have to consider without this the whole pacific war would have turned into a long and nasty ground invasion war with millions of deaths on both US and Japanese sides. Yes, it sucks civilians were killed in this, too, but it was not like the US generals decided "lol lets slaugher some civilians for ----s and giggles"
#107 to #72 - ---htmarexnxnxnxnx
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Total amount of victims of allied troops during the campaign into Europe was some 400 thousands. Are you seriously trying to tell me that USA would lose more troops in japan than it did while liberating Europe? Are you high or something???
The dropping of nukes was nothing but a test to provide performance data.
#116 to #107 - atomschlumpf
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The allies during the campaign into Europa were only fighting Nazi ground troops who were already starting to get demoralized and fighting a retreating battle. During an invasion of Japan they would most likely also have fought huge parts of the civilian population in nasty city fights. So yes, the death toll would have been much higher
#118 to #116 - ---htmarexnxnxnxnx
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Nazis fought a retreating battle on the eastern front, but they had able troops to continue fighting on the western one and would continue to do so until soviets reached Germany.
Also by the time allies disembarked on Omaha beach, Nazis still possessed quite significant amount of resources, enough to resist them for fairly long even though they were cut off from any sort of outside help.
Also you cant possibly compare the military of WW2 Germany to WW2 japan. Japan before the end of the war was already on their last leg, with most of their military being formed by poorly trained soldiers with mediocre weaponry, and no armored support due to the shortages of fuel.
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